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Seanad Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 24 Mar 2026

Vol. 312 No. 6

Nithe i dtosach suíonna - Commencement Matters

School Staff

I welcome the Minister. I want to raise the issue of a post-primary school teacher voluntary relocation scheme.

This is something the Minister will be familiar with from her former work. I have been told by a lot of teachers that there is a need for a scheme like this. They feel that there is no way out of the situation they face. When a teacher becomes permanent or gets a contract of indefinite duration, it is a recognition of their experience and work. However, if for whatever reason they decide to move school or county, their choices are quite limited and in many cases they are expected to forgo their permanency should they be lucky enough to find a redeployment opportunity. Surely the establishment of a panel for voluntary relocation is possible. We already know that this kind of scheme works. The Civil Service mobility scheme was introduced for a simple reason, namely, to allow people move closer to home without losing their job security. It improved retention, reduced stress and made the system work better. Teachers deserve the same type of solution, namely, a solution like this.

Many teachers are travelling long distances every day of the week and large numbers say they would consider leaving the profession if that had to continue. I have a list of examples here. One is an example of a teacher teaching in Kilkenny while living in Limerick and travelling 15 hours a week and over 190 km a day. There is a teacher working in Kildare who is living in Laois and travelling two hours and 124 km per day. Another teacher working in Clare and living in Galway is travelling two and a half hours and 160 km per day.

It is not about convenience for these guys. Rather, it is about people being pushed to the point where they cannot keep doing their jobs. If we want to keep teachers, we need to resolve this problem.

Teachers have told us that, if they want to move closer to home, they often have to give up the permanency of their jobs. One teacher told me that they had spent 20 years living and working in Galway, but due to family issues, they may have to move to County Offaly. They feel that it is unfair that they could lose the permanency of their role. This scheme would fix a problem like that by allowing movement without losing permanency.

This affects all people, not just teachers. Long commutes are impacting childcare, family life and overall well-being. People are delaying families. They are struggling with care responsibilities or leaving their jobs altogether. It is a human issue and this is a practical response. There is a related environmental issue, in that the long journeys mean higher emissions. We are also putting additional costs on people, given the current cost of fuel. This solution would resolve an issue like that.

This Commencement matter is about solving a problem that we already understand. We do not want to lose experienced teachers. We are putting unnecessary pressure on these teachers, but there is a clear, workable solution to this. We have already accepted this approach in the Civil Service. Surely now is the time to introduce a similar approach for post-primary school teachers.

I thank the Senator and welcome the opportunity to discuss the teacher relocation proposal. Any initiative that seeks to ensure that the educational needs of children are prioritised is to be welcomed.

The recruitment and appointment of teachers for teaching positions is managed by individual school authorities. There are over 3,700 individual school authorities responsible for this process, including boards of management at primary and post-primary levels as well as the education and training boards, ETBs. There are more qualified teachers than ever working in schools, with an analysis of payroll data from November 2025 showing that there are 75,000 teachers employed in schools across the country. This analysis found that over 98% of allocated teaching posts were filled nationwide and, as of November 2025, there were 0.7 unused allocations at post-primary level. Teacher attrition remains low, with fewer than 3% resigning or retiring annually, which is one of the lowest rates in the OECD.

The Department received a report from the Teachers Union of Ireland, TUI, in March 2023 proposing a national relocation scheme for teachers.

The scheme would allow teachers to identify preferred locations for relocation through a portal and potentially swap positions with teachers in those areas. This is distinct from a redeployment scheme, which is designed to move surpluses in the system. This proposed relocation scheme may be beneficial for those who are commuting considerable distances, as the Senator has highlighted, and for the environment more generally. However, a number of challenges are apparent. Officials from my Department met with TUI representatives in November 2023. An overview of the proposal was presented at the meeting by the TUI and a discussion followed. The proposal was subsequently considered by my Department and a reply, based on the discussions and the report received, issued to the TUI. The proposal could impact teachers across both the primary and post-primary sectors. With this in mind, the TUI was invited to engage with other teacher unions and management bodies to develop a jointly agreed proposal on a relocation scheme.

There is a range of issues to be considered, including the application process, dispute resolution, seniority and the impact on other redeployment schemes. Further correspondence was received from the TUI on this matter in February 2024, with a reply issuing from the Department in April 2024. The reply from the Department acknowledged that some of the issues raised in the TUI's original correspondence had been addressed. The reply also highlighted key areas that remained to be addressed, including engaging with other stakeholders in the sector to agree a proposal.

It should be noted that an existing voluntary redeployment pilot, distinct from the relocation scheme proposed by the TUI, is in operation. The key purpose of the pilot voluntary redeployment scheme is to assist the Department to achieve the objective of redeploying all surplus permanent teachers.

I thank the Minister very much for her detailed response. I am glad she brought up the ongoing engagement with the TUI because the motion passed at the 2022 congress instructed the executive to negotiate with the Department of education and other employers to establish a national voluntary redeployment panel. It is good to see that there has been correspondence on that. It now looks like the Minister is still waiting for the TUI to engage with the other stakeholders. That is very important, especially at this time of year. Will the Minister engage with the unions on this proposal as a matter of urgency and try to get the TUI to engage with the other bodies?

The Minister mentioned that there are 75,000 teachers. We all recognise the wonderful work they do. They are being supported by the Department. The role they play is very important too. The feedback we are getting from the members is that just over 90% of them would be interested in a scheme like this. In response to the question of whether a guarantee of continued job permanency would be a requirement for a teacher to consider seeking relocation or redeployment, 94.4% of the respondents answered "Yes". There is an appetite there and we need to engage with the unions and ask them to speed up this issue.

A national relocation scheme for teachers is a proposal worth pursuing, but it requires careful consideration as it is a significant undertaking. There needs to be further collaborative work on this due to the complex nature of the education sector, with the many factors outlined in the Department's correspondence to be considered. The Department has not received an updated proposal in line with the response issued to the TUI in April 2024 and no proposal is currently being considered. It is essential that there is alignment between unions and management bodies in order to progress this proposal.

I thank the TUI officials for their work on this proposal. I encourage them to engage with other relevant stakeholders on the matter. The invitation from my Department for a detailed and comprehensive proposal for a teacher relocation scheme addressing the matters raised in the Department's previous responses remains in place.

Senator Boyhan is next but we will have to wait for a change of Minister. We are waiting for the Minister of State, Deputy O'Donnell.

Urban Development

I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy O'Donnell. I thank him for coming to the House to deal with this Commencement matter, which relates to Dundrum town centre, rather than the commercial shopping centre that many people know Dundrum for.

I am talking about the fabric, the community and the existing town that is Dundrum. For those who do not know, Dundrum is the second major town centre within the local authority administrative area of Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown so it is a major town centre zoning, and sometimes people forget about that. Dún Laoghaire is divided, of course, by a motorway, and these are two very significant town centres but the pace of change and, certainly, community and civic space and facilities is at a far slower rate on that side of the county and, yet, they are very big ratepayers. I am asking for an update on the issue of when it is expected that the urban regeneration and development fund, URDF, for Dundrum will be approved. More importantly, the bit I really want to find out more about is if the Minister of State will indicate the level of engagement with the executive of Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council. I am aware, of course, that the towns and cities regeneration investment fund has now replaced the URDF so things are moving. There is currently an application process. I understand 1 May is roughly when that is going to close.

Dundrum, as I said, is the second major town centre in Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown. It has a particularly pressing need for a civic centre incorporating a new, modern library. There is a case for capital funding to be made available for building this major piece of social infrastructure for Dundrum in south County Dublin in the upcoming round of the funding that is due to come about, with the closing in May as I have already said. Dundrum is densely populated and at the heart of a large and fast growing population with a very significant number of new homes with houses and apartments to a very high density. The demand is really there for good quality, public realm, civic, cultural and heritage space and the potential that brings. Significant housing developments have been going on there. Much will be led by the Land Development Agency and we know, of course, it has entire control of the former Central Mental Hospital site with a master plan for a very significant amount of development, which is in line with Government policy and therefore, you would imagine, would have the full support and backing of the Government. Where we have higher densities, we have got to look imaginatively and fund public or civic realm and civic space, which is really important. The present Carnegie library, which is the middle of the town, is restricted in terms of space, structure, accessibility and capability for providing the resource necessary for this particular area.

I stress that it has the overall support of the TDs representing that constituency, including the Minister of State, Deputy Neale Richmond, who has been particularly vocal and to the fore, as have the Independent councillors and all councillors there. I would particularly like to acknowledge the work of Independent councillor Anne Colgan, who has been instrumental at the very heart of the Imagine Dundrum concept. It is clear to say that all parties and none, be it on the council and in the Oireachtas, are working very closely and collaboratively to bring about this investment. There is a need and a rationale for this investment. It needs to be put together and driven. Therefore, the case I am really making is for an indication of support but also the engagement with the necessary Dáil stakeholders in relation to the local authority. I look forward to the Minister of State's response.

Before the Minister of State starts, I wish to welcome our visitors to Leinster House. I hope they are enjoying it. It is a very interesting place. I hope they will be back someday.

I have a few more years to do here myself.

Do they have homework?

Some of them do not look like they are of homework age. I am probably being ageist there. If they do have homework, they are off it for the day.

I welcome the guests to the Chamber.

I thank Senator Boyhan for raising this important matter, which I am taking on behalf of the Minister for Housing, Local Government and Heritage, Deputy James Browne. The Minister recently announced a new towns and cities regeneration investment fund, which Senator Boyhan has alluded to. While replacing the URDF, existing funding for URDF projects already approved will be incorporated into it, with a focus on supporting policies such as town centre first and city task forces, as well as integrated urban regeneration. The new fund will continue to deliver projects that are transformative and impactful in nature, contributing to the wider regeneration of the five cities and eligible towns.

The Senator made reference to the closing date under the current call under the town centre first and city task forces. The deadline date for the new fund is 1 May of this year. The Minister, Deputy Browne, and the Department would certainly welcome a suitable application from Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown in respect of this.

I will recap on the URDF funding for Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council projects. Under call 1 of the URDF, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council received approval for four projects, with a funding commitment of €22.6 million. One of these projects was the development of an action plan for the Dundrum community cultural and civic hub, which was published by Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council in May 2020. Under call 2, a further €4.3 million in support for Dundrum community cultural and civic hub was made available. The total funding approved under the URDF to date to Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council comes to €76.1 million.

Under URDF call 2 on the Dundrum project, given the funding allocation available, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council has chosen to focus on the public realm elements of the project. Following a number of engagements with the project team in Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council with the Department, it recently submitted a preliminary business case for the Dundrum interchange and civic plaza project. The preliminary business case is currently being reviewed in line with the requirements of the infrastructural guidelines for approval gate 1, AG1, or approval in principle. This review is expected to take a few more weeks to complete subject to any issues arising. Once again, this approval will allow Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council to progress with the detailed design, planning and procurement process. Thereafter, and while Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council will be required to submit an updated cost plan at pre-tender stage, the project is expected to proceed directly to tender. A further detailed submission will be required at final business case stage once the tender process is near its completion.

My Department will continue to work closely with Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council on this project and all other projects in its current URDF programme. As with all local authorities, relevant officials meet at least three times per year with Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council and more often when necessary. However, the advancement of other projects through various stages of planning, development and completion, as well as the subject matter of funding applications is, in the first instance, a matter for Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council.

I thank the Minister of State. In essence, it is obvious to all that this funding needs to come forward. In summary, the strong rationale for this investment has been validated in the community, cultural and civic action plan for Dundrum by the provision, as the Minister of State said already in his response, of €4 million from earlier URDF funding. Basically, there has been a substantial amount of money put into this project and this concept. We need to get it from the concept up. We could not surely turn our backs on that sort of investment and move away.

I am confident that the TDs and Ministers in that constituency, of all parties are none, are fully behind it. All the local authority members are behind it. I want to acknowledge, of course, Mr. Frank Curran, chief executive of Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council. They are all committed. There is no reason it should not happen. It makes sense and is in line with Government policy. Higher densities, tighter-knit communities and less, shall we say, private open space as opposed to public open space, necessitate good strong cultural and educational play, sports and recreation facilities and, of course, the cultural aspect is very important in this particular project. I wish it well. I thank the Minister of State for his detailed and informative response. I will share it with the elected members of the council this afternoon.

I thank Senator Boyhan for raising this important matter, which I am taking behalf of my colleague, the Minister for Housing, Local Government and Heritage, Deputy Browne. It gives me the opportunity to reiterate the support my Department has been pleased to be able to provide for this critically important regeneration project for regeneration in Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council in general. In that respect, I will also inform Senator Boyhan that funding supports for Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown also include €43.2 million for public access supports in Cherrywood.

Furthermore, the Minister, Deputy Browne, and his Department would welcome a suitable application from Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council for funding under the new fund, which, as the Senator referenced, is currently open for such applications with a closing date for submissions of 1 May 2026.

In the meantime, we look forward to seeing the works progress in Dundrum along with the other key URDF projects in Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council.

I thank the Minister of State. We will have to wait for the Minister of State, Deputy Dooley.

There is a vote in the Dáil.

There is a pairing arrangement.

Harbours and Piers

Senators O’Donovan and Duffy are up next. They have two minutes each in the first round, and in the second, three and a half seconds. We will divide the time evenly.

The Minister of State is very welcome and I thank him for being here. The condition of coastal infrastructure in west Cork, indeed throughout the country, particularly piers and slipways is the subject of my Commencement matter. Our coastal infrastructure facilities are not luxuries. They are lifelines for many in our community. They support fishing families, connect island communities and sustain tourism in some of the most economically important parts of rural Ireland and yet many are deteriorating. Years of underinvestment, combined with increasingly severe weather, has left them unsafe, unreliable and unfit for future demand. I think of Keelbeg pier in Union Hall, Pallas pier near Ardgroom on the Beara Peninsula, where mussel fishermen are in need of a pier extension to work during low tide, as well as the dredging required at Kinsale Harbour for the safety of boat access. I also think of ambitious projects like the development of a new marina in Schull or a marine activity centre in Bantry that simply are not happening.

We should be more ambitious for our coastline, but the current process is not working. Local authorities are being asked to deliver more with limited resources. From my experience, they often lack the staffing and funding needed to maintain and develop this essential infrastructure. However, funding alone is not enough. We need a national review of local authorities in terms of coastal marine management to identify what is working, where delays occur and which delivery models are most effective. Some projects progress efficiently while others stall. We should be learning from both. That review should focus on improving the development process, make it more efficient, better resourced and capable of delivering for communities. If we are serious about supporting coastal in rural Ireland, we must both invest in local authorities and reform how they deliver and develop our coastal marine infrastructure. The future of places like west Cork depends on this.

I welcome the Minister of State to the floor of Seanad Éireann. Something I, along with my colleague, Senator O'Donovan, have raised continuously, is the maintenance of piers, harbours and slipways across the country. Indeed, in my home county of Mayo, it is something I have advocated for as a county councillor, and more recently as a Member of the Oireachtas. Something that sadly has borne out our worst fears was a recent tragedy at Belderrig pier, where Joachim McNulty sadly lost his life. I have met Joachim’s daughter, Joanna, his wife, Geraldine, and the Belderrig community, who have been immense in using this as an opportunity to say "No more" and to insist on better standards of safety at piers and harbours.

What I would love to see come from today is a message to all chief executives of county councils to have safety audits on all of our piers and harbours to identify exactly what needs to be done to improve safety, lighting and maintenance of piers, slipways and harbours, to ensure that tragedies like Buncrana or more recently Belderrig never happen again and that all measures are taken to protect them.

I would welcome the Minister of State’s engagement on this. I ask him to meet with the McNulty family and in particular Joanna at some stage. She is working on a petition to encourage support to make sure that this vision of safety at all of our piers and harbours is realised.

I wish to acknowledge the work of Darren Forde. He is a local innovator in County Mayo who is doing great work to create proposals that will help make safety measures on piers a reality.

Senators will not be found wanting when it comes to supporting the Minister of State in his efforts to request funding to deliver much-needed investment in piers and harbours. The Minister of State understands the importance of this work. There is a lot of jeopardy as well as dangerous moments at piers, which can happen very quickly. A brilliant legacy for us all would be to support the Minister of State and the McNulty family, in memory of their late father, to make sure that such a tragedy never happens again and that our harbours and piers are safe. I look forward to hearing the reply.

At the outset, with others, I join in offering condolences to the McNulty family. I offer my condolences to Geraldine, Joanna and the rest of the family. Of course, we will meet them in due course. I suggest that the Senators contact my office and I will happily engage with them.

I thank Senators O'Donovan and Duffy for raising this issue today. Our Department owns, operates and maintains six designated State-owned fishery harbour centres, located at Castletownbere, Dingle, Dunmore East, Howth, Killybegs and Ros an Mhíl under statute. It also has responsibility for Cape Clear, Cleggan and some piers, lights and beacons. In addition, our Department has responsibility for the upkeep and maintenance of the north harbour at Cape Clear, as well as the maintenance of a small number of specific piers, lights and beacons throughout Ireland in accordance with the Marine Works (Ireland) Act 1902, and piers, lights and beacons constructed under the auspices of the Congested Districts Board.

Responsibility for the development and maintenance of any piers, harbours and slipways that lie outside the boundary of the fishery harbour centres that are not under the remit of our Department rests with each local authority in the first instance. However, our Department, as part of its annual fishery harbour and coastal infrastructure development programme, does provide limited - I emphasise that it is limited - discretionary funding to coastal local authorities for the implementation of small-scale projects focused on the development and repair of piers, harbours and slipways under their ownership. The proposed projects must support the fishing industry, aquaculture and marine leisure activities. Accordingly, on 16 February, I announced €4.3 million in funding under the local authority marine infrastructure scheme for 2026. Under that scheme, our Department will co-fund up to 75% of the eligible project costs, up to a maximum of €187,500 reimbursement, where eligible, per project, with the local authority providing the balance.

Local authorities were encouraged to assess the nature of the capital works on their coastal-marine infrastructure that may require repair, modernisation, enhancement or upgrading, identifying those projects that could be considered eligible for funding in 2026. The deadline for local authorities to submit project proposals for funding under this scheme was 9 March. I am pleased to inform the Senators of the large volume of project proposals submitted to our Department within the timeline. In fact, applications were submitted by every coastal local authority. The is really encouraging and says to me that the engineers are engaging with the process. Applications are evaluated, taking into account the terms and conditions of the scheme, the priority attached to each project by the relevant local authority, available funding and the need to ensure a broad geographical spread of projects.

The Department is currently processing these applications. I expect that this process shall be completed in the coming weeks, following which I will make a decision concerning the allocation of funding for eligible project proposals. Once the projects are approved for funding, our Department will engage with representatives from the respective local authorities.

I can, however, share details of funding provided in recent years to local authorities by our Department. It is worth noting that any costs incurred in relation to survey work and permit applications are not considered capital expenditure and, therefore, are not eligible for reimbursement by our Department. It is a matter for the local authorities to progress preparatory studies, permitting and design reports for each project in advance of applying to our Department for supporting capital works.

Between the years 2020 and 2025, our Department reimbursed total funding of almost €60 million under both the local authority marine infrastructure scheme and the Brexit adjustment local authority marine infrastructure, BALAMI, scheme. This figure is the total drawdown from the local authorities following completion of their projects. The figure may differ from the allocation granted by the Department each year. It should be noted that it is a matter for each local authority to manage the progress of each project and submit claims to the Department for reimbursement. For context, the BALAMI scheme was one of the recommendations of the seafood sector task force, which the then Minister, Deputy McConalogue, established following Brexit. It provided funding to local authorities to revitalise Ireland's public marine infrastructure to offset the impact of the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement. The main condition for eligible projects is that the costs incurred must be directly linked to countering the adverse effects of the UK's withdrawal on the local fishing community.

I thank the Minister of State. I acknowledge the response. My point is that I do not think the €4.3 million, which I have acknowledged, is enough for local authorities. We need to review how local authorities apply, process and develop coastal infrastructure. I am asking that the Department would review which local authorities work well. Perhaps there is best practice across Europe in respect of how we can develop coastal infrastructure.

The work, time and cost that go into these preparatory reports mean local authorities are simply not applying for projects. We can see a vast number of projects have been applied for, but €4.3 million will not cover these. I am asking for a review of how we do this. There is a need for safety and ambitious projects, but we are not doing this well enough. I am sharing the rest of my time with Senator Duffy.

I thank the Minister of State again for his reply. His commitment to meet the family is greatly appreciated.

To follow up on Senator O’Donovan’s point, the investment in piers and in repairs to piers, slipways and harbours is welcome. It can be more. On the specific aspect of maintenance, the resources supplied by local authorities is something we need greater understanding of. We need safety audits and assessments in respect of all our piers, harbours and slipways. We need to find out the cost of making them safe and of their ongoing maintenance. If we can understand this through communication with the chief executives of the local authorities, then we can all campaign to support better funding for the Minister of State’s Department to support local authorities. It could be done through that Department or through the Department of local government, led by the Minister, Deputy James Browne. At the moment, though, the maintenance of this infrastructure is not up to scratch. Whether at this level or at local authority level, we need to have a greater intensity in addressing this important matter.

I thank the Senators again. To answer directly, I too share the concerns raised. I have visited many piers and harbours around the country, but there is not an envelope of money in our Department to be able to fund them. I have, therefore, begun a process of engagement across Departments. I did not want to come in and stick to the script, which would, effectively, say it is an issue for another Department, because that does not solve the problem. We are all in government together. While local authority piers do reside under the Department of housing, I am prepared to work with it. It is important that we look to the Department of tourism as well, because many of these facilities are also used for tourism. There is an element of fishing, although a lot less than what it might have been, so that is where our Department came into play. We must also look to Fáilte Ireland and other agencies that have capital funds.

I have asked officials in our Department to try to identify where moneys are already being spent on infrastructure so we can try to pull together a pool of money for marine infrastructure investment. This will involve taking the €4.3 million we are lucky enough to have this year and some moneys from other Departments. If we could get to a notional fund total of €8 million to €10 million annually, then we could make real differences. We could look at some key projects, perhaps on an annual basis, that would involve €1 million or up to €2 million. It could be that kind of thing. It is the very early stages but, based on people who have come to me in the past and places I have visited, I am trying to develop something in that area. I look forward to the help and support of the Senators in that regard.

Defibrillators Provision

Cuirim fáilte roimh an Aire Stáit. The Minister of State is very welcome. For many years, communities across the country have come together to fundraise and install defibrillators, or automated external defibrillators, AEDs, as they are commonly known, for local community centres, sports facilities, schools, workplaces and public places.

In some areas, individuals and businesses have sponsored the price of a defibrillator. We are greatly indebted to them all, as I am sure the Minister of State will agree.

CFR Ireland is a national umbrella organisation for community first responder groups in Ireland. It is run by 4,000 volunteers organised in almost 350 local groups across the length and breadth of the country. These have access to 4,500 registered AEDs, although it is registered that there could be as many as 9,000 AED units located across the State. We owe this group of volunteers a huge debt of gratitude for being available 24-7 and attempting to save the lives of their neighbours. Everyone recognises the importance of the availability of AEDs to the survival of victims of heart attacks. They know how critical the first minutes can be and how an AED can both save a life and ensure a better recovery for the patient.

The news is that a particular but apparently common model of AED, the HeartSine Samaritan defibrillator, is experiencing a problem with shortage of batteries, a critical component that ensures that AEDs are available if needed to save a life. I understand there is currently a global shortage of defibrillator batteries, which is driven by local supply chain demands and raw materials shortages. This is affecting various models, particularly the HeartSine model, which faces long-term delays. These delays are a serious challenge for workplaces, schools and entire communities which need an automated life-saving external defibrillator, AED. Having a defibrillator in our communities is crucial to ensure that sudden cardiac arrest survivals remain high. Having an AED in our community with no battery is the equivalent of having no AED at all.

We have two major issues here. One is that we have a large number of defibrillators located the length and breadth of the country that people cannot get batteries for. The second is that only half of the 9,000 AEDs we have are registered. Someone needs to take control of this particular issue. We need to put in place a clear, structured and fully resourced strategy within the Department to ensure the oversight of AEDs is available and not solely left to volunteers. Someone needs to take charge of it. While community efforts have been invaluable, it is not sustainable, appropriate or fair to rely on goodwill when lives depend on these services. AEDs must be consistently accessible, visible and, more important, fully operational at all times. Proper systems and accountability are essential, so the maintenance and monitoring are carried out effectively, helping us to ensure and improve survival rates in emergencies.

We have a serious problem as the model in question is the predominant model used in this country. We are talking about saving lives. The problem I have is that for such an important issue, no one seems to be in charge. It is up to local volunteers, many of whom work and have families and busy lives, to check if batteries are in order and so on. They are then confused about who to go to. The problem is we have loads of these machines with no batteries, which effectively means we have nothing. Someone needs to take charge.

I thank the Senator for raising this important issue, which I am taking on behalf of the Minister, Deputy Carroll MacNeill, who cannot be here today. I will outline the current position with regard to the provision of medical devices and aid appliances. In general, for the HSE, medical devices are purchased through the HSE procurement system. The HSE also provides a wide range of aids and appliances free of charge to eligible people following assessment by a health professional. These are provided through community-funded schemes and play a key role in assessing and supporting people to remain living in their homes and local communities. A national list, including prescribing criteria, can be found on the HSE website.

On the specific issue raised by the Senator, the Health Products Regulatory Authority, HPRA, is the agency in Ireland with responsibility for regulating medical devices for the benefit of patients. The Department of Health engages closely with the HPRA on its remit. Officials from the Department have reached out to the HPRA directly regarding this issue.

The HPRA has advised that it has not been informed of an interruption or discontinuation of supply of batteries and pads for HeartSine Samaritan defibrillators. In light of this request, the HPRA will now contact the manufacturer to further clarify the status of this issue.

As part of its role, the HPRA monitors field safety corrective actions associated with medical devices. These may include return of the device to the supplier, device modification device exchange, device destruction, retrofit or advice regarding use of the device. In this context, the HPRA is aware of several ongoing actions impacting the HeartSine Samaritan products. I will have to check that out and come back to the Senator. Depending on the nature of the issue, these field safety corrective actions may have an impact on product availability. As part of the HPRA’s evaluation of any such actions, there is engagement with the manufacturer to assess the impact of these issues and any other impact on supply. In addition to engaging with the HPRA, the Department of Health has engaged with the HSE for information. The National Ambulance Service has confirmed that it does not use the devices and is not impacted by this issue.

In light of this Commencement matter raised today, the Department will further engage with the HSE to discuss whether any substantive issues arise. This is a really important issue. I know myself how important it is to have defibrillators in communities. Like the Senator, I see it in my own home constituency of Carlow-Kilkenny, where we have volunteers on a regular basis who give up their time to help save lives. I will definitely check into this. I am only taking this today on behalf of the Minister, Deputy Carroll MacNeill, but I feel it is a really important issue. I also want to thank everyone involved in this. With the amount of volunteers and goodwill in communities, it is exceptional how people are so good. I want to compliment them for the work they have done.

I appreciate the Minister of State is taking this on behalf of the Minister, Deputy Carroll MacNeill, and this is not her line of responsibility. I think the response is deeply worrying in that it states the Minister is not aware of any disruption. That highlights exactly what our problem is here. I have had community groups on to me, volunteers who are deeply worried. They are checking these things in their own time and telling me they have no batteries and cannot get any. Apparently they are coming from the United States. The company involved has a base in Europe and no one can seem to get in contact with anybody in relation to this. The fact that the Minister for Health is not aware of it is deeply worrying and highlights the problem we have. I would be extremely grateful if the Minister of State would take back the concerns of many, including many in her own community, about this issue. Not having these batteries could be the difference between saving someone's life or not.

This is a really important issue. The Senator can be guaranteed that I will definitely go back to the Minister. I know that in light of the request today, the HPRA will contact the manufacturer to clarify the status of this issue and assess the impact of these issues or any implications for supply. The Department of Health will further engage with the HSE to keep this matter under review. The Senator is right. We need to get the answers. We need to know if there is an issue with the batteries and we need to get that sorted. I assure him that the Department will come back to him and I will highlight this really serious issue with the Minister. I thank the Senator again for highlighting this today.

Cuireadh an Seanad ar fionraí ar 3.23 p.m. agus cuireadh tús leis arís ar 3.31 p.m.
Sitting suspended at 3.23 p.m. and resumed at 3.31 p.m.
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